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01/17/2008 1:27 PM
One thing I noticed with the map is that the 2 main Countries that now make up the old U.S. have a dispairity on military strength. The counbtry East of the missippi has a distinct advantage as most US bases are there. The West has more space but less in terms of operational bases and resorces. I wonder if this will play out as we go on.

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01/17/2008 3:20 PM
That's interesting, since all the spoiler hints have said the eastern government is the weaker one. I wonder what makes the Allied States the stronger government? Gwen

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01/19/2008 5:58 PM
Ft Campbell, Benning, Bragg, Rucker, Mead, McCoy, Knox just to name a few army bases are all East of the Mississippi. Air force wise you have SOC HQ in FL, Scott, Lackland, Edwards..ect Norfolk is a huge navy base and of course the Marines have alot out east. Out west you have Ft. Rilely, Carson, Polk,Lewis and not much else worth noting (TX has the power west of the river with a few major bases) A few note worthy AF BAses (B2s belong to the allied states) But as far as raw ground power and control the East has a bigger/stronger force.

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01/19/2008 6:07 PM
I forgot to add Ft. Drum to the east. If you think about it the East controls the 101st ABN Div, 10th Mountian, 82nd ABN Div, Special Operations Command, Most of the Special Forces Groups, Over half the Seal Teams, 3rd ID, 1st Armor, Nost of the Army air units, Most of the Airforce cargo capacity and fighter wings, Half the naval fleet, All the major Intel Commands, Plus they most likely have access to all our forces in Europe. The west has the big red One, Parts of the 25th light and 9th INf Reg bt no real mahor divisionexcpet big red 1. The contriol the B2 force and Norad. Half the naval fleet and seal teams. Less armor and air capacity and even less intel capacity. Texas has 3 Major Division of the ARMY AND SOME AIR WINGS..THEY COULD TAKE THE WEST OUT IF THEY WANTED.

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01/25/2008 2:51 PM
Something else I just noticed. With San Diego knocked out they lost a majority if their Marines and naval fleet. The east Has 2 major bases in Norfolk and Great Lakes. Also the west may have lost to some degree Ft. Lewis which is near Seattle. The east appears to have lost little in terms of military bases. I could also see MO. turning to the east with STL literally on the boarder and Scott AFB only 20 minutes away in the east. that would turn Ft. Lennordwood and the B2 fleet over to the East. In a one on one fight I say the East would destroy the west but thats not even considering troops from overseas or external support

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01/25/2008 5:07 PM
Hi Airassault, Thanks for the military information. It certainly makes you wonder if the Mississippi river is a realistic dividing line and how the Allied States is holding the 21 states together. Gwen

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01/25/2008 7:47 PM
Its a good natural boarder because of the river. If the bridges are gone it presents a formidable obstacle to cross. The west being so large and having small population centers don't need a massive force to keep their own down. They only need good propaganda and a decent size well armed force.

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01/27/2008 2:53 PM
I agree that the eastern half of the U.S. had more bases, but it appears that they had a higher concentration of bombings also. with the exeption of FT. Knox, KY and a couple of small army bases in Viginia, the locations pretty well cover the bomb areas. i did notice however, that it would be likley that norfolk navy base looked spared, the home of the navys atlantic fleet.

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01/27/2008 6:29 PM
Actually bro you are mistaken. None of the major bases where hit in the east. Norfolk for example..untouched. Ft's Campbell, Knox, Benning, Bragg,Drum ect..all untouched. McDill AFB (SOC Command), Andrews, et al..untouched. The only base that may have been hit according to the map is Great lakes (which is about 60 miles from downtown Chi. The west lost San Dieago and that fleet, the Marine base in SD..also gone, Ft. lewis (same as great lakes)...so the East has a huge advantage.

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02/20/2008 7:11 PM
airassault, I don't see how you can consider Abdrews untouched, yet Ft. Lewis destroyed, or for that matter the Naval Sub base in Bremerton Washington, or the MAC base at McChord AFB, Plus the ASA has the Bomber base at Fairchild AFB in Spokane, and Mountain Home AFB in Idaho, plus I would add that with NORAD and SAC HQ both in the ASA they would have complete control over the majority of the land based ICBM Force of the continental U.S..

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02/20/2008 7:12 PM
The West would also have the majority stockpiles of the U.S's NBC capability as well.

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02/20/2008 7:34 PM
Hi r8dr, Nice to have another person familiar with the military. Airassault is currently on maneuvers (hope I used the right word). The Jericho writers are saying that the Allied States is the stronger of the two US governments, with Texas being a kinda swing vote about who would be the stronger government. When airassualt gets back, I think you two will have an interesting discussion for us to listen to. In the meantime what is "NBC"? I'm sure it must have some meaning besides a rival TV network. Welcome to Jericho Kansas! Gwen

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02/20/2008 8:47 PM
Hi Gwen, I'll make sure to go post an introductory thread for a little background on my old self. As for NBC......Nuclear Biological and Chemical So glad I found this forum!!!

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02/21/2008 1:41 AM
"As for NBC......Nuclear Biological and Chemical" Thanks. I knew it wasn't NBC the network. Gwen

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02/25/2008 1:05 PM
Posted By r8dr on 02/20/2008 7:11 PM airassault, I don't see how you can consider Abdrews untouched, yet Ft. Lewis destroyed, or for that matter the Naval Sub base in Bremerton Washington, or the MAC base at McChord AFB, Plus the ASA has the Bomber base at Fairchild AFB in Spokane, and Mountain Home AFB in Idaho, plus I would add that with NORAD and SAC HQ both in the ASA they would have complete control over the majority of the land based ICBM Force of the continental U.S.. I woulnd't call Lewis destroyed (it probably suffered as did Naval Station Great lakes though) but San Diego I would. But after seeing the 1st Episode I am at a loss. The Military forces in Jericho claim to be 10th Mountian...OK..but they are based out of FT. Drum NY!!!!! They are definately not west of the Mississippi river. Yes the Allied states has the majority of the Nuke stockpile (how much did the expend on N. Korea nad Iran??). But as far as ground forces the East should enjoy a nice big cushion..but with this 10th MT thing I am, not sure...The east should have at Min. 101st ABN, 82nd ABN, 3rd ID, most of the SF groups, SF Command, 1st Coscom, All the Armor at Knox, Army Intel, Atlantic Fleet Norfolk, USTRANSCOM, not sure on the Marine MEU break out but at least 1 if not 2 of them, PA national gaurd is a whole DIV as well...and thats not all (Ft Rucker is a big Army Helo base). The west doesn't have much in terms of complete Divs but after this 10th MTN thing I guess there could be a strange monkey wrench thrown in. TX, has alot of mil muscle....3rd ACR, 1st Armor, 1st Cav...and thats just from 1 post. Also land based ICBM wouldn't play unless we plan on Nuking ourselves. This must be a look at convential forces more than anything. Hopefully the show will reveal more but I really can't believe that the West is stronger in terms of size of military forcres.

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02/26/2008 3:48 PM
Without dating myself too much, I remember when 10th Mtn road marched from Benning to Drum, perhaps during the confusion following the attack they were relocated to a facility less in the way of fallout? I also wonder what happened to the 2nd ID...were they in South Korea at the time of the counter attack? Same could be said for the 25th in Hawaii...are they still there? Ft Richardson? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the army down to just 10 Active Divisions? 1st Armored Div. - Ft. Bliss TX 1st Calvary Div. - Ft Hood TX 1st Infantry Div. - Ft. Riley KS 2nd Infantry Div. - Republic of Korea 3rd Infantry Div. - Ft. Stewart GA 4th Infantry Div. - Ft. Hood TX 10th Mountain Div. - Ft. Drum NY 25th Infantry Div. - Hawaii with compnents at Ft. Lewis and Ft. Richardson 82nd ABN Div. - Ft. Bragg NC oh the memories lol) 101st Air Assualt Div. - Ft. Campbell KY

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02/26/2008 9:59 PM
Posted By r8dr on 02/26/2008 3:48 PM Without dating myself too much, I remember when 10th Mtn road marched from Benning to Drum, perhaps during the confusion following the attack they were relocated to a facility less in the way of fallout? I also wonder what happened to the 2nd ID...were they in South Korea at the time of the counter attack? Same could be said for the 25th in Hawaii...are they still there? Ft Richardson? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the army down to just 10 Active Divisions? 1st Armored Div. - Ft. Bliss TX 1st Calvary Div. - Ft Hood TX 1st Infantry Div. - Ft. Riley KS 2nd Infantry Div. - Republic of Korea 3rd Infantry Div. - Ft. Stewart GA 4th Infantry Div. - Ft. Hood TX 10th Mountain Div. - Ft. Drum NY 25th Infantry Div. - Hawaii with compnents at Ft. Lewis and Ft. Richardson 82nd ABN Div. - Ft. Bragg NC oh the memories lol) 101st Air Assualt Div. - Ft. Campbell KY You are correct with a few additions. 2ID is in Korea with 2 BDE's. 3rd BDE 2ID is at Lewis. 25th light is almost completely in Hawaii (but are they out of reach of the west?? And they also have Pearl so they could be independant (they were a nation at one point). But look at TX...4 Divs (3rd ACR at Hood and Bliss)plus FT Sam has a huge training school for AMED and alot of personnel. Plus Hood has a coscom as well. East...3rd ID,101, 82nd plus huge bases in FT. Rucker (avaition), FT Knox (armor school and a huge post), FT. Benning (Home of the INF and Rangers), Bragg also has the 1st Coscom (most of your CSS folks), the rest of Drum (minus the 10th I guess..or is the unit in the show just one part of the 10th and the rest is in the East??"), Eustis (small post but home to SDDC and the Army trans system), FT MCCoy (massive porjection platform and Reserve/Gaurd base), Ft Belivoir (not sure what is left but huge engineer response teams), PA Gaurd has a whole Div with strikers), FT Jackson (mostly Training) West.... 1st ID, NTC, Ft. POLK (JRTC..not a big post, maybe 1 small BDE), Lweis (3rd BDE 2ID, 1 Ranger Bat, and some other various units), Wachuka (spelling is wrong) in AZ is a big intel school, FT Carson (some good units there but not 1 Div in particular), FT lennordwood (mostly a training post) Now these are just Army units off the topof our heads...The [ower is definately in the East here and I haven't even mentioned them all. Plus I would tend to believe the East controls our forces in Europe and the middle East. And if br4eak down navy and Marine units I think the East widens their power over the west. The west may have a slight advantage with the AF (B2 Fleet in MO) but the east has a huge AF base right near their capital. So it will be interesting to see how they West has more power...plus it seems that the East has UN/NAto support....

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02/26/2008 10:02 PM
oh and to note this doesn't even include Special Forces which mostly reside in the East...

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02/28/2008 12:41 PM
I agree about the majority of SOCOM assets being Eastside....especially when you consider the possible loss of Ft. Lewis and their S.F. detachment and the probable loss of of all the S.E.A.L.'s in the Coronado/San Diego area.

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02/28/2008 1:39 PM
I did a breakdown of the bases. Each branch has its own thread. I know the Major army posts but could use a little help on the other branches. But as I was doing these threads I reall noticed just how much stronger the east should be. Adn we haven't even touched the units that are OCONUS yet!!!!

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